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9/14/2000 4:34 PM 1 out of 9
The whole usefullness of Entheogenic substances is that they
trigger us to quit our habitual atunement to beta state and allow us to re-tune.
The hopeful end of the exploration of the shaman is the ability to attain profound altered states of conscousness without the use of the substance.
Right now, the very reason why our culture uses is because
we are trying to escape. Trying to escape the Beta industrial hive
verbal-logical mathematical mindset.
Theta States of consciousness are the states associated with spiritual experiences. ("Numinous experiences" to use the science term.) They are achieved only by having more energy of attention to focus in the present moment than what is used for beta, and by focusing that energy of attention upon the non-physical level of reality, or upon a complex musical foci.
Theta states of consciousness are sustained and created out of an internal dialogue musical communication.
Just as a hundred voices talking in unison is noise and a hundred voices singing in unison is glorious, so to goes it with the communication of neurons.
tribes.tribe.net/psychonau...20100cbeec
9/14/2000 4:34 PM 1 out of 9
The whole usefullness of Entheogenic substances is that they
trigger us to quit our habitual atunement to beta state and allow us to re-tune.
The hopeful end of the exploration of the shaman is the ability to attain profound altered states of conscousness without the use of the substance.
Right now, the very reason why our culture uses is because
we are trying to escape. Trying to escape the Beta industrial hive
verbal-logical mathematical mindset.
Theta States of consciousness are the states associated with spiritual experiences. ("Numinous experiences" to use the science term.) They are achieved only by having more energy of attention to focus in the present moment than what is used for beta, and by focusing that energy of attention upon the non-physical level of reality, or upon a complex musical foci.
Theta states of consciousness are sustained and created out of an internal dialogue musical communication.
Just as a hundred voices talking in unison is noise and a hundred voices singing in unison is glorious, so to goes it with the communication of neurons.
tribes.tribe.net/psychonau...20100cbeec
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Re: how would one obtain a waking theta condition?
Mon, June 11, 2007 - 7:33 PMHow is it that you know of this theta state. How do you know when it is present?
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Re: how would one obtain a waking theta condition?
Sun, August 5, 2007 - 12:02 PMTwo words: Kundalini Yoga. In it is the art of controlling the electrical wavelengths and output of the brain and the nerve centres of the body. There's even a Hindu meditation technique that, when mastered, seems to be pretty much the same thing as a heavy DMT trip, complete with the passing through the flower, though for them it's a lotus while many Westerners call it the Chrysanthemum.
There are a few good books out there, like the Chakra and Kundalini Workbook and, while it is more rare than most other types, some commercial yoga studios also teach some Kundalini. Be careful, though, as I hear that it's way way intense. I'm just starting out with it myself.
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Re: how would one obtain a waking theta condition?
Tue, August 7, 2007 - 7:23 PMRyan, your words hit a cord, ""complete with the passing through the flower!"
I do not belong to any religion or such, but have been meditatiny for awhile now and had many experiences that the mind does not understand and doesnt have to.
This poem is what happened a few years ago, is this what you are talking about???
Universal Flower:
How tiny i felt beneath the weigh, of such a magnificent being,
The under petals of a flower, were all these eyes were seeing.
I was minute, but on it fell, it's weight upon my head,
To escape within its mighty stem, still i had to shed.
In joyful knowing, within i plunged, and left behind a half, (left my right side behind)
With current surging through me, i ascended its silvery shaft.
Reaching the golden centre, my head within its heart.
a dome of blissful union, of which im now a part.
A luminous carpet of petals, held there my eyes entranced,
their pink crystal beauty, unfurled in cosmic dance.
Liquid light ran through me, a great electric charge,
And spread in silver streamers, within this flower large.
I knew each thousand petals, as they spread forever on,
And fed each one from within the heart,
With electric's humming song.
Above the dome, there i spied, a shaft of golden light,
I peered below ans saw the roots, embracing all in sight.
Its soil was the universe, amid stars and suns and moons,
They reached with the very Earth, humming creations tune.
I cried in humble wonder, as i began to understand,
The flowering of the Universe, and its meaning to man.
Within the golden heart of love, i discovered there and then,
to unfold the universal flower of truth, we all must be the stem.
Blesssings xxxxxxxx
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Re: how would one obtain a waking theta condition?
Fri, August 10, 2007 - 5:49 PMIn my experience, there are *lots* of ways to attain a Theta state.
Various forms of meditation will get you there. Various forms of bodywork will get you there. (I know this both from giving and receiving.) Various trance-inducing techniques and activities will get you there.
I have achieved Theta state using a variety of meditation techniques. My favorite of the moment is a heart-centered meditation that we use in the Integrative Awakening group I'm hosting, which is described on my profile. I have a friend who does neurofeedback (biofeedback for the brain), and she had my brain hooked up to give me a session, and I did the heart meditation technique, and she said, "Wow, you dropped into theta!" So it is scientifically documented with an actual brain-wave reading that the state I'm referring to is a Theta state, and using that as a reference point, I know I have achieved that state in a multitude of other ways.
I am trained in a variety of healing modalities, and in a couple of them, including "Theta Healing," the practitioner uses self-hypnosis type meditation techniques to achieve the Theta state before beginning healing work. This is not one of my main modalities, so you might get more information by posting a question on the Theta Healing tribe:
tribes.tribe.net/thetahealing
I have also achieved Theta state while receiving Cranio-Sacral Therapy sessions, and I know as a practitioner that my clients reach that state when receiving sessions from me.
As for trance-inducing activities, of course there are many techniques used for shamanic journeying, and a lot of those involve repetitive sound, like drumming. I've also gotten to Theta just drumming at a drum circle -- my hands were moving without my brain having anything to do with it. Movement also works for me -- I'm recalling experiences such as T'ai Chi, Qigong, Continuum Movement, Whirling (like a dervish), and free-form dancing (authentic movement where impulse flows freely). Chanting is also great, and many of the mantra chanting experiences I've had doing Kundalini Yoga definitely take me to that state.
I'm sure there must be more ways than this short list. Anyone else have any favorites that I didn't touch on?
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Re: how would one obtain a waking theta condition?
Sat, August 11, 2007 - 12:29 AMFeel we can live in the theta state, isnt that what the yogic masters and gurus do?
It is staying within the stillness inside, while being in the movement of life (no percptions one way or the other, no expectations, the cleansing of emotional baggage and conditioning. It is like the mind lives in a flat line) feel it is then in a place where connection to pure mind, can work in every minute of every day. Full awareness in the NOW moment seems to change us somehow.
Still trying to understand this myself, so dont have the right words yet.
Think it is the state that is called satori (spelling) you may find info on net, have just heard this word today, so still have to check it out for self.
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Re: how would one obtain a waking theta condition?
Sat, August 18, 2007 - 7:53 PMHi, Wendy, sorry I didn't get back to you sooner, my b-day was last week, so been a bit busy....
<Feel we can live in the theta state, isnt that what the yogic masters and gurus do?>
I am currently working towards that goal (check out the secion on Integrative Awakening on my profile), and I am definitely making progress, can drop into theta at will, but to be able to stay there while doing things such as typing responses to all my posts, is just not happening yet!!! ;)
<It is like the mind lives in a flat line>
I don't know about that. First of all, depends on what part of consciousness you're referring to as "the mind."
Secondly, I experience the still center as having a richness of experience that is definitely not "flatline."
It is not "Deficient Emptiness," it is "Full Emptiness."
Resting in this space is still quite new for me, so I am hesitant to use words like Samadhi or Satori.
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Re: how would one obtain a waking theta condition?
Wed, August 15, 2007 - 10:17 PMWow!!! this is funny that I found this today. I've been using binaural beats to induce various brainwave patterns for years, but recently I came across some info about remote viewing and how one consistent characteristic of remote viewers is the predominant presence of theta waves. So, since I've heard of remote viewing and influencing, and have an intense interest in this (for reasons of survival), I've been messing with theta-inducing binaural beats. I read yesterday that brainwave entrainment works best when the frequency that you're entraining to is already present or at least the closer the wave frequency is that is in your mind to begin with is to the one you're entraining to, the more effective it is. Also the article said that it takes around six minutes to effectively entrain. So, I got the "brainwave mind voyage" CD "the Theta Tones, and made a playlist that starts in the high theta range and works down to lower theta in six minute increments. IT WORKED VERY WELL!!! My lady friend had mentioned something yesterday about a "warm feeling" just before falling asleep, that i said I'd never experienced until today. I was in a deep state of reverie and totally lucid without thought, my body began to feel warm and tingly and soon it felt like it was nothing but energy, as if gravity had left me and I wasn't really "there." It was good. Tonight I spontaneously did a Kundalini Yoga session, which I haven't done in a long time. I felt very peaceful after my Theta experiment. -
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Re: how would one obtain a waking theta condition?
Tue, August 21, 2007 - 2:18 AMA friend gave me a machine that generates binaural beats in various patterns and timings, and I've been looking for it so I could describe it to you, but can't remember where I put it.
It has headphones and tone generators, and generates clicking noises in various speeds, with consideration given to the time differential between right and left beats. I think it has light patterns, too. Mainly I wanted to read the manual, because I can't remember what the supposed benefits are.
The guy who gave it to me had heart problems, and discovered after buying it that it said in fine print, do not use if you have heart problems. It was giving him palpitations.
Anyway, I really like your 6 minute increments playlist idea, and it's great that you got to "warm and tingly!" Any new developments? -
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Re: how would one obtain a waking theta condition?
Tue, August 28, 2007 - 1:37 AMNot yet.
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Re: how would one obtain a waking theta condition?
Tue, August 28, 2007 - 4:15 PMget an mp3 of theta and delta binaural brainwave entrainment dvds and play it while you walk.
you can also use an audio prog to mix the brainwave entrainment audio with some other music.
as long as you keep it stereo it will work even if you only barely hear it. -
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Re: how would one obtain a waking theta condition?
Sat, May 10, 2008 - 11:26 PMBasically, you want to stop thinking but remain conscious. It's possible, but naturally, it would take some practice for most people. Some of us have clouded minds and it takes lots of sitting time to stay alert and relaxed throghout the day. -
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Re: how would one obtain a waking theta condition?
Sun, May 11, 2008 - 8:26 AMHere's another way perhaps: www.ted.com/talks/view/id/229
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